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Oh sooo soon....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnhgXcDsbPY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xEoBYCTFJ0&feature=related

:) I am getting it the second its released, hopefully there will be some open class races, although that might be dangerous having rookies tooling around

Oh yeah, im with you on that.  1st THING, no doubt.  We will have to host some sessions and get it going that way. 

I bought Zandy' last night...... WOW!!  Good fun in the Radical SR8!!

Cost?

you have to buy tracks?

  Yep   $14.95 

5 configurations

http://www.iracing.com//cars-and-tracks/tracks/

So whats better about these tracks compared to the hundreds of free tracks for Simbin and other similar racing sims? Just curious...

Don't know about better.  It depends on how you look at it.

I'm a racer, always will be and sim-racing has always been a BIG hobby of mine as well.  Mix the 2 and you get I-racing. 

I-racing is for hardcore sim racers! If thats what you are then it's hard to argue paying for it.  We all spend our $$ in some way.

To me it's all about the physics.  Thats what Gran Turismo had going for it back in the day, when they actually made games instead of talking about making them.

Heres what a few "common folk" think:

"Accuracy is the most important thing. In the iRacing simulation, the corner spacing and radii are exactly right. Bumps, camber changes, curbing, changes in surface all have an influence on the optimal line, and iRacing has that level of detail. It's great for learning tracks and cars, but even if you already know a track, you can refresh yourself, so you're not spending the first session getting up to speed. You can attack straight away".
 
Justin Wilson
F1 and Indy Car Driver

"The iRacing.com simulation is far and away the most realistic driving simulation I've ever seen. The graphics are stunning, the tracks look virtually identical to the real thing, and the cars move and react in a way that will train you to be a better, smoother driver. I am addicted"!
 
Alex Gurney
2009 & 2007 GRAND-AM Rolex Series Daytona Prototype Champion



Drop $5 and try it for a month, you tell me.

 

That makes a lot of sense. Is there an open wheel trial? I might be interested in that, but it almost seems too technical for me. I like to be the driver and let the engineers setup the car  ;)

since we're waiting for GT5, and I personally am not 100% sold on it yet anyway, I went and did the buy 1 month get 2 free thing.

We'll see what we see.

I did two runs at Limerock in the Solstice and am still 4sec off BP's times...although those might have been achieved with setup tweaks, being a rookie I can't even change tire pressure.

You would have to buy on "open wheeler" if you were just starting.  You could test with it or run in a hosted session with others until you have the license for the car.  But not sanctioned races.

Skip barber, star mazda, IRL and 79' Lotus F1 car are the choices.

The Spec ford has some other adjustments.  The setups get more complex as you go up  obviously.  There are baseline setups and you can share realtime with other s while playing.

http://www.iracing.com/buy-1-get-2

That's what I got ... you get a Legends car, Pontiac Solstice & a Spec Racer (which I think is like the GT Lite from ToCA3).

so if we raced with you, would we race on your level or would you race on our level?

Are those 3 cars my only choice? I am looking at the website and it's not very clear. I guess I will try out the buy 1 get 2 free promo.....

We would all be on the same level.  We all just have to have the same track and car of choice.  Once you buy a car or track, its yours for use whenever.

Class breakdown
ROOKIE:  Pontiac Solstice
              Spec Racer Ford
              Ledgend

Class D:   Nascar Late model  (chevy)
              Mustang cup
              Jetti TDI cup
              Nascar SK modifed
              Skip Barber

Class C:   Austrailian V8 supercar
              Craftsman trucks
              Nascar Modified
              Star Mazda

Class B:    79' Lotus F1
               Corvette C6R
                 *Prototype challenge* (mixed calss racing)
                   Radical SR8
                   Riley MkXX Daytona Prototype
               Silver Crown cup
               Nascar Nationwide (chevy)

Class A:    Izod Indycar
               Nascar Sprint cup (chevy)

Pro class is after A class.  No new cars, just intense competition in 4 different series!   ....so ive heard.
     
 

By the way, the MX-5 Cup car is going to replace the slowstice soon, it will be free obviously. It is a much much better handling car than the pontiac.

I'm not sure if it replaces it this coming season or if it is going to wait longer, I don't see why they would not have it for the new season though as they just showed it off on iracing.tv

Out of the rookie road cars the Spec Racer Ford is by far my favorite, it is so good in training throttle control and being at the right speed at the right time.

On the tracks, for me it is amazing, comparing Zandy on Race series to iRacing's is like comparing little leagues to pro leagues. They use laser scanning to get everything spot on, they actually goto the track and collect a large amount of data. I got to drive Mid-Ohio over the summer and I see no difference in the iRacing version.

Currently though I am racing in the Skip Barber Series. It is the step below the F3000 equivalent, Star Mazda. Still deciding which car I will run next season, either Star Mazda or another Season in the Skippy.

The Skippy is one the most popular road series on iRacing and gets a lot of higher classed racers, even though they can run any other car. Makes for great close racing.

The ranking is another great feature, each race that happens will be split into groups of similar iRating so you will always be on a similar pace with the other drivers.  Although if there are not enough drivers to make more than one race it will put everyone together, which does not happen to often. Right now I usually get in the second split in the Skippy, it usually goes to four or five splits during peak hours.

Cool, I did not know that the MX-5 was replacing the solstice.  I would bet it will be released within 2-3 weeks of Oct 25th.  Just like the F1 car, for the new season.

I agree, the SRF is a blast and really makes you put it in the right place @ the right angle of attack.  Its one of my favs as well.  I have trouble with the skippy, I have not learned how to use that "pendulum" of a rear end to my advantage yet.  It has CRAZY oversteer.

To me, the Star Mazda is the best car on here that I have come across.  Lots of people race this car all hours of the day.  You can really wring its neck around a track.  Its also very forgiving if you go to far.

I have already bought all road cars and I run the higher class cars in hosted sessions quite often.  There are some FAST folks out there!!  Both of the prototypes are real fun as well.  I have not made a clear decision on which is best, they both have their pros and cons.

Indy car is a blast as well. However, I can't run it on short ovals yet with others.  WAY TO INTENSE!  I cause lots of wrecks at those tracks, so I steer clear.


The Australian V8 supercars are (to put it MILDLY) a handfull.  Like a fist fight in a closet!!

I love V8 supercars. We ran a season with them a couple of years ago. I am sure they much different on iRacing.

So how much money have you two spent on this game?

Yeah the Ford Falcon it nuts!!      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FSI6kHKLfs


 On the cost, figure $24 for 4 months so far.

What you "need" to spend to advance, would be.....

One car for each class.  (Road and oval ALWAYS being separate)  $14.95

You can get by with 2 or 3 new tracks in each class. (give or take)  $11.95-$14.95

Normally a season is 12 weeks. You can usually only move up @ the end of each season, usless "fastracked".



Next week I will open B class (Road racing) and C class (oval).  So in roughly 4 months I have needed to buy 3 cars and roughly 8-10 tracks.  I would basically buy a new track or car every couple of weeks.  I skipped C class (Road racing) using the fastrack system.  So I never actually needed to buy C class car or tracks.  This is based on my pace and you can advance as fast or slow as you like.  I bought more cars and tracks than necessary, just because of how many hosted sessions there are and they require no license, just the car and track of choice.

For instance, if everyone signs up for the trial, pays their fee.  Then go buy a fast car whatever you want as long as we all buy on the same one.  We then host  races at one of the 7 default road courses. (included in start up package).  We have full admin abilities.   ie... passwords, laps,  etc....  You can also leave it open and you will get quite a few pepole to join.  We can boot the "douchebags" if needed. Once you get into faster cars, everyone usually has great etiquette even on public sessions.

Some tracks and cars I will never even purchase, there would be no need.

If you are going to try it, we will be on there tonite.

aka a lot.

  Yeah it can add up if you go crazy.  If you stay the course and buy as you progress it's not that bad.  With the unbelievable stat tracking and the track and car accuracy its worth it to me.  It is quite detailed and intricate

  I am in no way trying to get everyone to convert to I-racing.  I just wanted everyone to know what it has to offer.  I truly enjoy racing with you guys and have NO plans to stop.  However, I do believe that we can easily increase our #'s (without compromising quality) if we were to use I-racing.  The race craft and driver etiquette of I-racing members is unmatched.  (Ovals racing not included)  All sanctioned servers are "public" and people just don't get in sessions to cause havoc and crash folks.  If they do, they are just wasting their $$.  You will NEVER advance if you drive like a "douchebag".

  I understand the cost is a hitching point for most gamers who can easily mod, create and download nearly anything for free.  I had exactly the same mind set for months.  Then I signed up.  I got the 3 months for 1 deal and the rest is history.

 For me on the other hand, I can't justify the "cost" of buying a PS3 and all accessories I would need to get going for 1 game. 
I know Team RIP been doing race-on for a minute and change may be on the horizon.  However, I undoubtedly beleive Race-on or I-racing are our 2 very best options to move forward.

YOU'RE THE DEVIL!   :P


- What accessories?  Your wheel, if it's Logitech, probably works with GT5 as is.
- The number of racers playing GT5 will dwarf iRacing within the first month.
- PS3 is a great media streamer and Blu-ray player as well.

Quality over quantity!!!

Yeah I would love to get a PS3.  They are the pinnacle in console's IMHO  Im sure there will be lots of people playing GT5, I just can't justify the purchase. 

Are my horns showing?  Damn this wig!

However, I don't forsee GT5 being able to weed out the "douchebags" like I-racing does so well.  There are those damn horns again.........     ;)

We just picked a used Xbox last week.  Got a great deal.  First console I have owned since PS2 was pretty new.  It's been a minute.  We are hiding it until xmas,  for the kids.  I don't like FPS on console controlers and I get my racing fix on the PC so it's really for the kids and family games in our house.

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???? have you even been keeping up with GT5? It will be by far the most detailed racing sim of all time. OF ALL TIME!!! LOL

I don't see how that addresses Ez's remark.

Sorry, was he refering quality vs quantity in regards to the game or the drivers playing the game?

There are douchebags in Race 07 as well, but we don't have any in our little league because it allows for private servers, just like GT5.  My impression from one of your previous posts was that the iracing ovals have douchebags as well.  D-bags are a universal gaming constant, but since GT5 will have a larger base of people to choose from, there are potentially more non d-bags you can find for any league sort of activity.

i took it as drivers.

In I-racing you get 0 "DB"'s in PUBLIC servers.  Sin a bit and just try it.



I have not really kept up.  I was hardcore a hardore GT fan from day #1.  When they started the game of "yes/no  ......well maybe" with release dates and info, I quickly lost interest.  

Will there be damage?


What kind of #'s are they estimating?

- Well, you'd get 0 Douchebaggary in private race sessions, so that's a moot point.

- Yes, there is damage.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR8CQxM_LFo

... and day/night cycle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1OZCwRGFUA

...and dynamic weather http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HNrkiFQX54

... and whatever the F this is designed by Adrian Newey http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5317.html


- Regarding anticipated racing activity:

They've spent 60 million on GT5 development, so one would figure they're expecting at least a million in sales.

GT the original sold 3.99m copies
GT2 sold 3.96m
GT3 sold 7.14m
GT4 sold 3.05m
GT5P sold 1.16m (remember, this was basically a demo)

Source: http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html

youtube videos:
The video with the highest view count when searching for iracing is 103K (uploaded 2 yrs ago).  For GT5, 1.5m views (uploaded 1 yr ago)

http://www.google.com/trends?q=iracing,+gran+turismo+5&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1

I feel quite confident that the racing activity in GT5 will be substantially larger than iracing.

OK, OK, OK! 

I don't think we are going to agree on this subject.     

The graphics are great, damage, weather and day/night looks great as well.    :P

I would think that something this anticipated, (GT5) that has been promised for years now, would have lots of hits on youtube.  That is no surprise.

This is really like comparing apples and oranges.   

Come on sin a little.........         ;)      It won't hurt at all. 
Then you can have an informed, well rounded opinion of I-racing.

Well you'd think all those fancy real racers would get hits on youtube as well.  I don't think you're really trying to suggest that iracing will have anywhere near the amount of racing activity that GT5 will are you?  I just noticed that iracing bosts 20k members on their site...

It's not really apples to oranges...  

They're both racing games.  The cost of an entire PS3 system and game is equivalent to the cost of iracing for a year + a modest selection of cars and tracks.  Ignoring the benefits of the PS3 as a media streamer, the best netflix player, gaming system, Blu-ray player,  the differences are that GT5 will have:

- More racers
- Immensely better graphics
- Way more cars
- More tracks?
- Karting, WRC
- Team manager mode
- A course maker
- A single player component

I guess laying it out like that makes me come around to it being an apples to oranges comparison, because you get a hell of a lot more for the money from one of them...  :)

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If you're going to spam pictures, at least try to make them ones that everyone and their mothers haven't seen hundreds of times already.

lol just trying to lighten the mood a little

is this one better?

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Turning the discussion back to iRacing ... I tried the legends car on some short track oval the other night, did a couple timed laps but after 3 or 4, I suddenly found i was not able to turn a single lap without the back coming around and causing me to completely lose control.

I've tried a bunch of things with throttle and gears, brakes and steering, but just find that I cannot understand how it's meant to work, I can't make it around 1 stinking turn ... and that worries me pretty deeply as I look at the higher vehicles on offer (eg, the F1).

You could give these settings a try. Found them on a real life legends website


see attachment

and also

Setting Toe in-out:

Recommendations are for 1/4" to 3/4" toe out for Oval racing.







 

ChITty---  Come on, sin a bit.......       

Kav---  LOVE...... , I mean love the special olympics pic.   Classic!!

Buz---  Same here with the legend car.  Ovals are tough!!  Don't let them dictate your opinion of any road car.    I'll look tonite and see if I have any setups.  My line was way off until I practiced on a public server and tailed some folks.  That will be the key, it will get you down in the 18.1-.3 range easy.  Have you improved your Limerock time since the other night?  Be glad to practice with you some night and give a hh.

your such a nice guy!!

sin.. a bit?   $156 bucks just to race two shitty cars for 1 year.  That's more than sinning a bit.  I respect both you and Ez and the fact that you find enjoyment in it to get too negative, because I know there must be some value there if you like it, but superficially it seems.. well... crazy.

WOW!

This post was meant to share some cool vids with everyone.  Not this mess.

Any comparison or reference I made with PS3/GT and I-racing was purely about "cost", from my perspective or the "DB" factor. 

My perspective on cost is, that I am used to paying for tires, gas, track fees, travel, not to mention broken parts.  I-racing scratches "MY" itch for racing like no other SIM has been close to doing before.  I have no guilt about reducing track time this year.  So $50, much less $12 a month is a real bargin "to me". 

My cost perspective on the PS3 being,  I just can't drop 3 to 4 bills all at once for basically 1 game.  I already have a blueray player and an Xbox.  It's just not cost efficent "to me".   

I had already stated I was a fan of GT and their physics were top notch.  I am not arguing the popularity nor the potential subscribers.  I was talking about cost, from my perspective.  That's all.

I stand firm on the "DB" factor.  You really have no way to fully understand until you have experienced it.  It simply works.

You all asked the questions, I answered them best I could. I was never trying to force something on anyone.  Then I feel it turned a bit ugly.  I apologize for any way I was mistaken and rest assured, me and those "fancy real racers" won't bother you with anymore posts about our "2 shitty cars".

With all due respect, I'll stick to approved material from now on and I also consider the hatchet buried.




 
 

Sorry if I came off too strong, I'm easily excited when debating.

You're an awesome guy and I definitely don't want to piss you off.  The fact that you and EZ say iracing is cool has actually, believe it or not, made it cross my mind as an option.  The problem is that the whole i racing thing pissed me off from the start and that it was focused towards nascar.  

If buz ended up heading that direction, despite my vitriolic criticism, I actually would as well.

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I think it has a lot of hidden value that is hard to see from the non-subscriber looking in from outside. You can watch all the youtube videos and read whatever but it has so many upsides that come out after you have been a subscriber after so many weeks.

Actually I moved out of the rookie class within the first week I was there. Sure I had lots of bad races during that time, but I would just move on to the next to try and gain back what I had lost. You don't have to race a 'crappy car' for a whole year! The only car I credit to being crappy was the solstice, and after I ran a practice session with Buz and BP in it, after being away so long, I was actually finding it fun. Anyways, now the base rookie car will be the MX-5 and that is going to be very popular up and down the ranks.

I found this article to be very informative before I jumped on iRacing, great explanation of how it works:

http://www.simhq.com/_motorsports5/motorsports_149a.html

Another awesome trailer for the FW31

can't wait!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKgx2P8MwA&feature=player_embedded

No worries, it's all water under the bridge.   

HOLY SHIT that's only 5 days!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbAzTm4GoRE&feature=player_embedded

didn't think iRacing was going the be the first highlight reel I would make!  ::)

Multiclass hosted session a couple days ago, I'm in the number 9 Spec Racer, "EZ" yellow with "EZ" blue diagonal stripes.

ITS HERE!!!  plus 2 mazda mx-5's for free!!